Comments on: Housework and Responsibility, Pilgrims and Indians, Tippecanoe and Tyler Too http://fauxrealtho.com/2006/11/22/housework-and-responsibility-pilgrims-and-indians-tippecanoe-and-tyler-too/ Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:26:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Pony http://fauxrealtho.com/2006/11/22/housework-and-responsibility-pilgrims-and-indians-tippecanoe-and-tyler-too/#comment-1366 Pony Fri, 24 Nov 2006 02:17:06 +0000 http://fauxrealtho.com/2006/11/22/housework-and-responsibility-pilgrims-and-indians-tippecanoe-and-tyler-too/#comment-1366 P.S. Children who get their ideas about natives from the movies, tv, or the kinds of programs you describe, are often very surprised to meet native people who look, act, speak and dress just like them (if a little darker). P.S. Children who get their ideas about natives from the movies, tv, or the kinds of programs you describe, are often very surprised to meet native people who look, act, speak and dress just like them (if a little darker).

]]> By: Pony http://fauxrealtho.com/2006/11/22/housework-and-responsibility-pilgrims-and-indians-tippecanoe-and-tyler-too/#comment-1365 Pony Fri, 24 Nov 2006 02:12:20 +0000 http://fauxrealtho.com/2006/11/22/housework-and-responsibility-pilgrims-and-indians-tippecanoe-and-tyler-too/#comment-1365 I have a suggestion. How about calling around to say, native studies programs at your nearest university or college, reservations band councils (if that's what you call them there), Native Friendship Centres in cities (what we call urban native community groups here) and asking for a native person, student, elder, woman, to come and talk to: the parent/teacher association (if that's what you call...), or if you can jump right to it, finding a teacher who would be receptive to having a native person come in, at about grade 6 or 8, where they would respond well to the opportunity. Likely. It doesn't have to be done for Thanksgiving. I have a suggestion. How about calling around to say, native studies programs at your nearest university or college, reservations band councils (if that’s what you call them there), Native Friendship Centres in cities (what we call urban native community groups here) and asking for a native person, student, elder, woman, to come and talk to: the parent/teacher association (if that’s what you call…), or if you can jump right to it, finding a teacher who would be receptive to having a native person come in, at about grade 6 or 8, where they would respond well to the opportunity. Likely. It doesn’t have to be done for Thanksgiving.

]]> By: Auguste http://fauxrealtho.com/2006/11/22/housework-and-responsibility-pilgrims-and-indians-tippecanoe-and-tyler-too/#comment-1360 Auguste Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:04:21 +0000 http://fauxrealtho.com/2006/11/22/housework-and-responsibility-pilgrims-and-indians-tippecanoe-and-tyler-too/#comment-1360 Augustlet is still young enough for the conversation to go this way: "Look, dad (pointing at a picture), an Indian!" "A Native American." "Oh." "Both terms mean the same thing, but one is more polite than the other." "Oh, okay. I'm still going to call them Indians, though." "No, you're not." "Oookay." Augustlet is still young enough for the conversation to go this way:

“Look, dad (pointing at a picture), an Indian!”

“A Native American.”

“Oh.”

“Both terms mean the same thing, but one is more polite than the other.”

“Oh, okay. I’m still going to call them Indians, though.”

“No, you’re not.”

“Oookay.”

]]> By: alice http://fauxrealtho.com/2006/11/22/housework-and-responsibility-pilgrims-and-indians-tippecanoe-and-tyler-too/#comment-1355 alice Thu, 23 Nov 2006 01:39:00 +0000 http://fauxrealtho.com/2006/11/22/housework-and-responsibility-pilgrims-and-indians-tippecanoe-and-tyler-too/#comment-1355 Well, on the curse front, he wasn't *elected* to office in 2000, so maybe he's been dodging it on that technicality. As for the costume, you've got me thinking about these plush toys my SIL got us for Christmas last year - they're of different diseases, and we got The Plague. I can just imagine getting Smallpox,and sending my wee one into school with it attached to a blanket. Tactile learning! Well, on the curse front, he wasn’t *elected* to office in 2000, so maybe he’s been dodging it on that technicality.

As for the costume, you’ve got me thinking about these plush toys my SIL got us for Christmas last year - they’re of different diseases, and we got The Plague. I can just imagine getting Smallpox,and sending my wee one into school with it attached to a blanket. Tactile learning!

]]> By: Lauren http://fauxrealtho.com/2006/11/22/housework-and-responsibility-pilgrims-and-indians-tippecanoe-and-tyler-too/#comment-1347 Lauren Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:10:29 +0000 http://fauxrealtho.com/2006/11/22/housework-and-responsibility-pilgrims-and-indians-tippecanoe-and-tyler-too/#comment-1347 <em>slap a scarlet A on his chest and see who gets it.</em> Ha! Next year, for sure. I was thinking on the South Asian tip, but then it's mean to make one's kids an unwitting participant in the parent's political diatribes. slap a scarlet A on his chest and see who gets it.

Ha! Next year, for sure.

I was thinking on the South Asian tip, but then it’s mean to make one’s kids an unwitting participant in the parent’s political diatribes.

]]> By: zuzu http://fauxrealtho.com/2006/11/22/housework-and-responsibility-pilgrims-and-indians-tippecanoe-and-tyler-too/#comment-1344 zuzu Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:42:11 +0000 http://fauxrealtho.com/2006/11/22/housework-and-responsibility-pilgrims-and-indians-tippecanoe-and-tyler-too/#comment-1344 Wrong colony, I know, but slap a scarlet A on his chest and see who gets it. Wrong colony, I know, but slap a scarlet A on his chest and see who gets it.

]]> By: Lauren http://fauxrealtho.com/2006/11/22/housework-and-responsibility-pilgrims-and-indians-tippecanoe-and-tyler-too/#comment-1342 Lauren Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:20:57 +0000 http://fauxrealtho.com/2006/11/22/housework-and-responsibility-pilgrims-and-indians-tippecanoe-and-tyler-too/#comment-1342 <em>E’s teacher should be taking this time to instruct actual history, not glazing it over with a sugar coated fra-la-la dress-up day of ignorance and insensitivity. For shame.</em> And in Ethan's teacher's defense (I have no complaint with her teaching), it's school-wide. I can always supplement. E’s teacher should be taking this time to instruct actual history, not glazing it over with a sugar coated fra-la-la dress-up day of ignorance and insensitivity. For shame.

And in Ethan’s teacher’s defense (I have no complaint with her teaching), it’s school-wide. I can always supplement.

]]> By: Lauren http://fauxrealtho.com/2006/11/22/housework-and-responsibility-pilgrims-and-indians-tippecanoe-and-tyler-too/#comment-1341 Lauren Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:19:23 +0000 http://fauxrealtho.com/2006/11/22/housework-and-responsibility-pilgrims-and-indians-tippecanoe-and-tyler-too/#comment-1341 I have both Lies My Teacher Told Me and Zinn's work -- I read lies in high school and Zinn just last year, actually. Several other related books on the shelves I haven't gotten to yet. <blockquote>Then, start with learning the local area’s history and which tribes/groups were here before the White Man. Followed by a landmass-wide review of the many, many tribes/groups/cultures. Moving into a lesson on, as you said, the wholesale rape and slaughter (i.e. genocide) of the native peoples and their cultures.</blockquote> Oh, but we have 4th grade Indiana history! It's a state standard! Don't you remember discussing all of that?! /snark I have both Lies My Teacher Told Me and Zinn’s work — I read lies in high school and Zinn just last year, actually. Several other related books on the shelves I haven’t gotten to yet.

Then, start with learning the local area’s history and which tribes/groups were here before the White Man. Followed by a landmass-wide review of the many, many tribes/groups/cultures. Moving into a lesson on, as you said, the wholesale rape and slaughter (i.e. genocide) of the native peoples and their cultures.

Oh, but we have 4th grade Indiana history! It’s a state standard! Don’t you remember discussing all of that?! /snark

]]> By: Anne http://fauxrealtho.com/2006/11/22/housework-and-responsibility-pilgrims-and-indians-tippecanoe-and-tyler-too/#comment-1340 Anne Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:14:35 +0000 http://fauxrealtho.com/2006/11/22/housework-and-responsibility-pilgrims-and-indians-tippecanoe-and-tyler-too/#comment-1340 RE. Agi's link: I have "Lies My Teacher Told Me" if you ever want to borrow it. I also have Zinn's "A People's History of the United States" and "Voices from..." whatever the title is to that one. The first is quite above E's reading level (although I know he's awesome!), but you could always translate it for him, and it would help you to supplement his meager history lessons from school as written and edited by [Harcourt/Holt, Houghton Mifflin, Mc-Graw-Hill, Pearons/Core, etc.] elementary social studies textbook corporations. Remember the shitty half-assed, chock full o' lies history we received? Yeah, nothing's changed. I'm thinking the first step would be to stop having the children with inadequate history knowledge dress up as either/or. Really. What the fuck. Then, start with learning the local area's history and which tribes/groups were here before the White Man. Followed by a landmass-wide review of the many, many tribes/groups/cultures. Moving into a lesson on, as you said, the wholesale rape and slaughter (i.e. genocide) of the native peoples and their cultures. Barolome de Las Casas' "Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies", which I also have, is also worth checking out. And I also have Charles C. Mann's "1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus", which is more anthropological regarding what this land and its peoples were like ('advanced', even urbanized) before the White Man came and decided to say it was empty and the peoples 'primitive'. E's teacher should be taking this time to instruct actual history, not glazing it over with a sugar coated fra-la-la dress-up day of ignorance and insensitivity. For shame. RE. Agi’s link: I have “Lies My Teacher Told Me” if you ever want to borrow it. I also have Zinn’s “A People’s History of the United States” and “Voices from…” whatever the title is to that one. The first is quite above E’s reading level (although I know he’s awesome!), but you could always translate it for him, and it would help you to supplement his meager history lessons from school as written and edited by [Harcourt/Holt, Houghton Mifflin, Mc-Graw-Hill, Pearons/Core, etc.] elementary social studies textbook corporations. Remember the shitty half-assed, chock full o’ lies history we received? Yeah, nothing’s changed.

I’m thinking the first step would be to stop having the children with inadequate history knowledge dress up as either/or. Really. What the fuck.

Then, start with learning the local area’s history and which tribes/groups were here before the White Man. Followed by a landmass-wide review of the many, many tribes/groups/cultures. Moving into a lesson on, as you said, the wholesale rape and slaughter (i.e. genocide) of the native peoples and their cultures.

Barolome de Las Casas’ “Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies”, which I also have, is also worth checking out.

And I also have Charles C. Mann’s “1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus”, which is more anthropological regarding what this land and its peoples were like (’advanced’, even urbanized) before the White Man came and decided to say it was empty and the peoples ‘primitive’.

E’s teacher should be taking this time to instruct actual history, not glazing it over with a sugar coated fra-la-la dress-up day of ignorance and insensitivity. For shame.

]]> By: Roxanne http://fauxrealtho.com/2006/11/22/housework-and-responsibility-pilgrims-and-indians-tippecanoe-and-tyler-too/#comment-1337 Roxanne Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:24:05 +0000 http://fauxrealtho.com/2006/11/22/housework-and-responsibility-pilgrims-and-indians-tippecanoe-and-tyler-too/#comment-1337 newspaper people never get long Thanksgiving/Christmas holidays. It's Harvest time. newspaper people never get long Thanksgiving/Christmas holidays. It’s Harvest time.

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